VANNES Ridoredh

Abt 0810 - Abt 0850  (40 years)

• Name	VANNES Ridoredh
  Birth	Abt 0810
  Gender	Male
  Death	Abt 0850	Bretagne
  Notes	In an 11th century genealogy that includes rulers of Brittany, Ridoredh is listed as the father of Alain I 'the Great' (Alanus major) and Pascwethen (Pascurthen) and specifies that Alain is illegitimate and Pascwethen, a legitimate son.[1] Although there are contemporary sources to confirm that Alain and Paswethen are brothers, this is the earliest source to name their father.[2] Although this is a late source, other genealogies on the same page appear to be correct. Even though there are a number of charters with a Ridoredh (or similar name variations) as a signatory, indicating that the person, or people were of the Breton nobility, it is impossible to claim that Ridoredh was count of Vannes, Nantes or any other area of Brittany, which has found its way into many modern genealogies.[2] Vannes has been used for this profile only because his two possible sons seemed to have been known as Comte de Vannes. Dates Pascwethen is a witness of a charter in 851,[3] which means he presumably was an adult by then, and must have been born in about 0830. If Ridoredh is his father, then a birth date around 810 seems reasonable, and he possibly died before Pascwethen is signing charters. Disputed Information Other sources leave the parents of Alain and Pascwethen as unknown.[4] Although there are earlier rulers of Brittany listed on the genealogy, there are no links from them to Ridoredh. However there are many Ancestry.com Family trees (and probably other internet genealogy sites) that all appear to be either unsourced or using other family trees as their source. Many of these list as his parents Erispoë, Duke of Bretagne (Brittany) and his wife Marmoec (de Poher) but there is no primary evidence, or even well-researched secondary evidence for this relationship. There are sometimes other variations in that Marmoec de Poher is listed as his wife, rather than his mother, but again there is no documentary evidence for this. Sources ↑ Genealogia Comitis Anday(?) (Genealogies of St Aubin d'Angers), Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana http://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Reg.lat.1283.pt.A/0140 : accessed 28 March 2016 ↑ 2.0 2.1 Baldwin, Stewart, 'Ridoredh: Breton noble, ninth century', updated 17 December 2005, in The Henry Project: The ancestors of king Henry II of England, (https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/ : accessed 9 February 2015) ↑ Pettiau, Hérold. "A Prosopography of Breton Rulership, A.D. 818-952." The Journal of Celtic Studies 4 (2004): 171-91. https://www.academia.edu/9317642/A_prosopography_of_Breton_rulership_A.D._818-952 : accessed March 28, 2016. ↑ Cawley, Charles, 'Brittany, Dukes & Nobility: Chapter 1A-Dukes of Brittany 831-907', version 3.0, updated 23 May 2014, in Medieval Lands: A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/index.htm : viewed 9 February 2015)
  Person ID	I58387	Freeman-Smith
  Last Modified	27 Jan 2026

  
  

  Family
  Children	1. VANNES Alain,   b. Abt 0850, Bretagne d. 0907, Bretagne (Age 57 years)  [Father: natural]
  Family ID	F347119	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	27 Jan 2026