 Abt 0996 - 1059 (63 years)
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| Name |
VASCOEUIL Beatrix |
| Birth |
Abt 0996 |
Vascoeuil, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France  |
| Gender |
Female |
| Death |
1059 |
Vascoeuil, Seine Inferieure, Normandy, France |
| Notes |
- Per K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of "Torigny's Genealogy Revisited," Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7:[1]
"She finds a charter in which a Beatrice seemingly identical to Rodulf's wife is named with her sons Rodulf and Roger, and likewise shows that Beatrice was still living while a Rodulf de Warenne was marriad to Emma. Based on these (and a similar pattern of compression of generations by Robert de Torigny seen in the Montgomerys) she suggested that historians were combining the records of two different Rodulfs - that Rodulf (I) married Beatrice, and by her had Rodulf (II) de Warenne and Roger de Mortimer (who by generation better fits an uncle of William anyhow), and that Rodulf (II) married Emma, having Rodulf (III, formerly II) and William de Warenne. In light of the charters she presents, this does appear the likely solution to the question.
"Regarding Beatrice, she presents charters which seem to make her sister of Richard, Vicomte of Rouen, son of Tesselin. It is known that a niece of Gunnora married the Vicomte of Rouen, and Keats-Rohan identifies this man as Tesselin, father of Beatrice, making Beatrice the grand-niece of Gunnora. However, it must be mentioned that Elisabeth M C van Houts (in her _Robert of Torigni as Genealogist_ in _Studies in Medieval History presented to R. Allen Brown_, p.215-33.) cites an article I have been unable to get hold of which she claims proves that the Vicomte married to Gunnora's niece was Richard, and not his father Tesselin. If this is the case, then it would break the chain of descent back to Gunnora. It is possible that the Warenne family maintained some tradition of indirect kinship, descending from a niece of a niece of Gunnora, and that this subsequently was compressed/combined to become a blood relationship, or alternatively a reevaluation of the assignment of the niece's Vicomte husband in light of Keats-Rohan's work may alter the conclusions, but this remains to be determined.
"Finally, it has been suggested that the Warenne ancestress, the niece of Gunnora, was sister of Joscelina, ancestress of the Montgomerys and likewise a niece. This was based on a documented pattern of close relationship between the families, but other such interactions among this kinship group show that the relationship between Warenne and Montgomery was hardly unique, and thus there is no reason to make the two nieces children of the same parents, rather than simply grandparents, so the parentage of the Vicomte's wife remains to be determined."
Sources
↑ https://cybergata.com/roots/1921.htm
See also:
K S B Keats-Rohan. Aspects of "Torigny's Genealogy Revisited," Nottingham Medieval Studies 37:21-7 - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285148810_Aspects_of_Robert_of_Torigny's_Genealogies_Revisited
27 Mar 2000 post of Todd A Farmerie on Gen-Medieval site re: William de Warenne
http://www.geneajourney.com/wrrene1.html - accessed 8 Aug 2014
Royal and Noble Genealogical Data, by Brian Tompsett, Copyright 1994-2001, Version March 25, 2001
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/GEDCOM.html, Department of Computer Science, University of Hull, Hull, UK, HU6 7RX, B.C.Tompsett
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| Person ID |
I59173 |
Freeman-Smith |
| Last Modified |
27 Jan 2026 |
| Family |
WARENNE Rodulf, b. Abt 0998, Normandie, France d. Aft 1074 (Age > 77 years) |
| Marriage |
1010 |
| Children |
| | 1. WARENNE Radulph, b. Abt 1012, France d. Abt 1074, Varenne near Bellencombre seine Inferieure, Normandy, France (Age 62 years) [Father: natural] [Mother: natural] |
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| Family ID |
F26312 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
27 Jan 2026 |
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