BLOIS Thibaut

Abt 0883 - Bef 0954  (< 70 years)

• Name	BLOIS Thibaut
  Birth	Abt 0883	Orleanais, France
  Gender	Male
  Death	Bef 0954	Troyes, Aube, Champagne, France
  Notes	The parents of Thibaut "l'ancien" are UNKNOWN.[1] Biography Name Thibaut (Tetbald) I "l'Ancein" (d. 944).[2] Thibaut or Tetbald "l'Ancien"[1] Tetbaldus [1] Theobald the Elder of Blois [2] Theobald le Vieux of Blois, was father of Theobald I, Count of Blois. [3][4] Theobald le vieux was from 908 on viscomte of Tours. [5] 883 Birth and Parentage He was born 883. [6] But note he may have been the same Thibault le Vieux who was alive in 878. [3] Thibault's parents are unknown. [1] 900 Obtains property from Hastings by Threat [Comte de Chartres: Guillaume de Jumièges describes how "Tetboldus comes" threatened “Hastingus” into selling “Carnotenam urbem” to him, after which Hasting became a pilgrim and disappeared (“peregre profectus disparuit”)[27], maybe dated to [900], an earlier passage recording that Hasting held Chartres presumably from “Rainaldus totius Franciæ dux” who had sent him to negotiate unsuccessfully with Rollo. [1] Note, however, that if he was born as late as 883, he would only have been 17 in 900. This suggests an earlier birth year, perhaps as early as 858, 20 years prior to 878. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Hastingo" sold "civitate Carnoto" to "Turonensi comiti Theobaldo" in 904[28]. The accuracy of these two reports is uncertain as it is unclear whether Hasting was ever comte de Chartres.] Vicomte de Tours: "Domni Fulconis Andecavorum comitis, Tedbaldi Turonorum vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated 30 Oct 909 under which the testamentary executors of "domni Gauzuini" donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours[29]. "…Tetbaldi vicecomitis…" subscribed the charter of "Hugo rector abbatiæ sancti Martini" relating to Tours Saint-Martin dated 931[30]. [1] Marriage Thibault was married one or more times and one or more wives were named Richildis. To facilitate further research and evaluation, several conflicting accounts are presented below in detail: Cawley suggests a first marriage to an unknown woman, but states that the primary source that confirms such a first marriage has not been identified. Cawley believes that the only indication is provided by a charter, dated to [980], under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard)[32]. [1] Elsewhere, however, he suggests that the unknown first wife was the mother of Thibaut II (910 -16 Jan 975/77), who later became Thibaut I "le tricheur," Comte de Blois, Victome de Tours. [7] The younger Thibaut married (943/4) Luitgardis de Vermandois The authors of the Wikipedia article stated that the mother of Theobald I was named Richildis [2] and that she was a great -granddaughter of Rorgon I, Count of Maine. [4] Cawley also notes that the identity of the husband of Richilde, and father of Thibaut [II] and Richard, is confirmed by the charter dated to 944 under which "le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey[31]. [1] Cawley continues that this charter confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut [II]. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not his mother and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. [1] Richildis is named as second wife of Thibaut in Europäische Stammtafeln[33] but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. The charter, dated to 980, under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard) confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, it provides no indication of the name of their father and therefore of Richildis’s husband. [1] Additional references to Richildis in Cawley include: [3] [4] Another site has Thibaut married to Richilde von Metz, born 850 and died 910, was the daughter of Odo von Schwaben and Judith von Altdorf. [8] She married Thibault de Bois-Ferrand, born 845, and they were parents of Odile de Bois-Ferrand, born 875. [8] "Theobald, Viscount of Troyes, married Richelde, the daughter of Hugh Aquitaine, Count of Bourges and his wife, Rothaut (the daughter of Charles II 'l'Chauve' ['The Bald'] King of France and Ricardis Buwinis Amiens, although some list her mother as Ermentrude Orleans, but that is topic for another day...) circa 886. As a result of this marriage, Theobald (Thiabald, Thiabault, etc) became guardian of Richelda's younger brother, Hugh, and was given the territories of Blois and Chartres in appreciation of this service. [9] Norman attack on Chartres leads to creation of Normandy Shortly thereafter, a marauding band of Norman pirates, who had recently taken up residence on the banks of the Seine, attacked Chartres. [9] "These brigands, led by a certain 'Rollon', were more than Theobald could handle on his own. Theobald sent messangers to his wife's cousin, King Charles III 'The Simple', Conrad, Duke of Bourgogne and Ebles, Count of Poiters, appealing for assistance. The castle had been under seige for some time, when Joscelin, Bishop of Chartres, observing from the castle ramparts, saw that assistance was on its way! [9] "The counter-attack was led by King Charles; the Norsemen were forced to lift the seige. King Charles and the renegade Rollon, or Rolf, drew up the Treaty of Saint Clair-sur-Epte which included an agreement by Rollon to convert to Christianity. In return, Rollon was awarded an area to govern that would later be called Normandy, and as wife, Giselle, daughter of King Charles."[9] 944 Death Thibaqud l'ancien died in 944 and was buried in Tours Saint-Martin). [1] Issue Because there is controversy about the name and number of Thibaud's wives, there is similarly controversy about the mother(s) of his children. Thibaut, born 910[1], probably the child of the first wife. Cawley notes that "Le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey by charter dated to [944][35]. He succeeded [his father] in [944] as THIBAUT I "le Tricheur" Comte de Blois, Vicomte de Tours. [1] Theobald I, Count of Blois[2] Richard, birth year unknown but probably child of the second wife. [1] Cawley notes that “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard), by charter dated to [980][36]. This confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not his mother and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. Richard, who died 969, was Archbishop of Bourges 956/57. [1] Unknown, birth year unknown[6] daughter. The sister of Theobald I, she married Alan II of Nantes, the Duke of Brittany. [10] After Alan's death she married (after 952) Foulque II, Comte d'Anjou (920 - 11 Nov 958; p. Foulque I "le roux," Comte d'Anjou and Roscille de Loches).FoulquesII died 958 Cawley notes that the Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Alanus dux" and "Theobaldum comitem Blesensem…sorore sua"[37]. Given the date of her marriage, and assuming that the estimated birth date of her brother Thibaut [II] is correct as shown above, it is probable that this daughter was born from her father's supposed second marriage. The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Blesensis…sororem suam relictam Alani Barbætortæ ducis" and "Fulconi comiti Andegavensi"[38]. This daughter married firstly (before [949/51]) as his second wife, ALAIN II Duke of Brittany, son of MATHEDOI [Matuedo] Comte de Poher & his wife --- de Bretagne (in Brittany [before 919]-952). She married secondly (after 952) as his second wife, FOULQUES II Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscille de "Loches" ([920]-11 Nov 958). [1] [5] m.1 (ante 949/51) Alain II de Bretagne, Duke of Brittany (father: Mathedoi, Comte de Poher) Linked on WikiTree but not named in sources Gerlotte, born 895[6] Sources ↑ 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 Charles Cawley and Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#_ftnref235. Accessed January 10, 2017 ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 Wikipedia. Theobald I, Count of Blois. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobald_I,_Count_of_Blois. ↑ 3.0 3.1 Theobald was also called Theobald 'the Elder' who in 878 replaced Warnegald as viscount in Maine, quite probably on the basis of his marriage to a Rorgonid cousin Richildis. See: Pierre Riché, The Carolingians (1993), p. 237. Cited in Wikipedia. ↑ 4.0 4.1 K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, 'Two Studies in North French Prosopography', Journal of Medieval History, Vol. 20 (1994), p. 10, cited in Wikipedia. ↑ The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumièges, Orderic Vitalis, and Robert of Torigni, Ed. & Trans. Elisabeth M.V. Van Houts (Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1992), pp. 56-7 n. 1. Cited in Wikipedia ↑ 6.0 6.1 6.2 WikiTree Data Field Entry, unsourced ↑ Charles Cawley and Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#ThibautIdied975 Accessed January 10, 2017 ↑ 8.0 8.1 Genealogie Online. https://www.genealogieonline.nl/fr/kwartierstaat-top-vanhoutte/I505764.php ↑ 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 From J de Petigny and Professor Launay's Historie Archeologique Du Vendome, I, pages 121-122, Academie des Inscriptions et Belle Lettres Chartes et Diplomas: Receuil Des Actes De Charles III, page xx, and Pere Anselme's (Pierre Guibors) Histoire Genealogicue et Chronilogique des Rois de France, II, pages 33-34. ↑ Bernard S. Bachrach, Fulk Nerra the Neo-Roman Consul, 987-1040 (University of California Press, 1993), p. 7. Cited by Wikipedia. Europäische Stammtafeln citing charter (980AD). Cawley, Charles. "Medieval Lands": A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families © by Charles Cawley, hosted by Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (FMG). See also WikiTree's source page for MedLands.
  Person ID	I59604	Freeman-Smith
  Last Modified	27 Jan 2026

  
  

  Father	BLOIS Eudes,   b. Abt 0860, Tours, Indre et Loire, Touraine, France d. 0906, Chartres, Eure et Loir, Beauce, France (Age 46 years)
  Relationship	natural
  Mother	De CHARTRES Unknown,   b. Chartres, Ille-et-Vilaine, Bretagne, France d. 0908
  Relationship	natural
  Family ID	F26462	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	UNKNOWN Richildis,   b. Abt 0887, Bourges, Cher, Centre, France d. 0913, France (Age 26 years)
  Children	1. BLOIS Thibault,   b. 0910, Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Centre, France d. Bef 16 Jan 0977, Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Centre, France (Age ~ 66 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]
  Family ID	F26460	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	27 Jan 2026