 1525 -
-
| Name |
de JOYEUSE François |
| Birth |
1525 |
France  |
| Gender |
Male |
| Death |
France |
| Notes |
- François de Joyeuse a épousé en deuxièmes noces Nicole Françoise de Beauvais, fille de François de Beauvais seigneur d'Autruche, dont:
Jean de Joyeuse, seigneur de Champigneulle.[1]
Il était peut-être le fils de Robert de Joyeuse, comte de Grandpré, et de Marguerite de Barbançon.[1] Cette théorie repose sur un acte notarial de 1733 dont l'interprétation reste ambiguë.
Notes
François de Joyeuse n'est mentionné ni par le Père Anselme, ni par la Chesnaye Desbois parmi les enfants de Robert de Joyeuse. Cependant les recherches de Laurent- Yves Gagné et Laurent Kokanosky apportent des éléments convaincants en faveur de cette généalogie. (sans toutefois expliquer de façon satisfaisante l'absence de François de Joyeuse dans les généalogies d'Anselme et de La Chesnaye). Voir en particulier la généalogie manuscrite de Me Hannonet, notaire, page 45.[1]
Biography
He is the son of Robert de Joyeuse and Marguerite de Barbançon.[1]
Françoise de Joyeuse married, as his second wife, Nicole Françoise de Beauvais. They had one child:
Jean de JOYEUSE , seigneur de CHAMPIGNEULLE b: c. 1540
Research Notes
François de Joyeuse does not appear in classical genealogies of the Joyeuse family (he is omitted by both Père Anselme and La Chesnaye-Desbois). Research by Roland-Yves Gagné and Laurent Kokanosky tends to support the parentage shown here, though without really explaining the omission of François de Joyeuse in Anselme and La Chesnaye's works. See the genealogy written by Pierre Hannonet, notary, page 45 here:
Roland-Yves Gagné and Laurent Kokanosky, Les origines de Philippe Amiot (Hameau), de son épouse Anne Couvent et de leur neveu Toussaint Ledran, (Montréal: MSGCF), vol. 58, no. 1, p. 17-58, English translation provided by the French-Canadian Heritage Society of Michigan, vol. 42, nos. 1-4, 2021.
1733 Notarial Act Parentage Issue concerns by Cawley and rebuttal by John P. DuLong
Charles Cawley of the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy points out an issue with the 1733 notarial act {that names “François de Joyeuse second fils de Robert de Joyeuse [comte de Grand pré]...seignr de Champigneulle”} that Roland-Yves Gagné and Laurent Kokanosky uses to establish the parentage of François de Joyeuse "should not be taken at face value without corroboration" and that "the wording of the 1733 act suggests that both the 1556 testament and the 31 Dec 1561 marriage contract of François’s supposed son Jean [I] may contain additional information which throws light on François. Complete copies of these two documents have not been seen, so definite conclusions about François and his parentage would be premature at this time."[2]
A rebuttal was provided by John P. DuLong of the concerns that Charles Cawley had in The Joyeuse Ancestry of the Couvents, published in February of 2023. In this rebuttal he addresses all concerns in a point by point fashion which is available online, along with other transcription of documents which are relevant to his research.[3]
Granddaughter Louise de Joyeuse and asociation with Susanne de Joyeuse, daughter of Foucault de Joyeuse
Gagné and Kokanosky provide proof of the association between Louise de Joyeuse, granddaughter of Francois de Joyeuse, and Susanne de Joyeuse, daughter of Foucault de Joyeuse, Francois's brother:
"27 December 1616, Louise de Joyeuse Acknowledgement of Debts. Appeared in person Clement Bourdon merchant living at Espieds who acknowledged owing and promises to pay on the next feast day of St. Martin to damsel Loyse de Joyeuse widow of the late Charles de Longueval esquire residing at the queue au Boys parish of villegruyes currently staying at Château Thierry here present and accepting the sum of twenty-four livres ten sols tournois"[1]
"As we have seen in the settlement of the dispute on 27 December 1616, Louise de Joyeuse, widow, no longer resided at Épieds on that date. What could have brought her to the Queue-au-Bois, parish of Villegruis, whose co-seigneuresse was dame Suzanne de Joyeuse, as we learn from the acts of fealty and homage “to the king our seigneur” from 18 March 1608? Suzanne de Joyeuse is none other than the cousin of the father of Louise de Joyeuse. In 1616, the latter was then living with a relative. As for François de Merbricq, a record of 8 July 1614 describes him as lord of Chenenge and Queue-au-Bois in part, residing at Escury"[1]
John DuLong's response to the material:
"50. Gagné and Kokanosky point out there is a contemporary point of contact between the two branches of the de Joyeuse family. Louise de Joyeuse, dame of Sivry and wife of Charles de Longueval, resided at the home of Suzanne, daughter of Foucault de Joyeuse, married to François des Marins, seigneur of the Queue-au-Bois (near Villegruis, Seine-et-Marne), after the death of her husband Charles. It is unlikely that Louise would be invited to live near Suzanne’s family unless she was a relative. Suzanne de Joyeuse would be the first cousin once removed of Louise."[3]
Sources
↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 Roland-Yves Gagné and Laurent Kokanosky, Les origines de Philippe Amiot (Hameau), de son épouse Anne Couvent et de leur neveu Toussaint Ledran, (Montréal: MSGCF), vol. 58, no. 1, p. 17-58, English translation provided by the French-Canadian Heritage Society of Michigan, vol. 42, nos. 1-4, 2021.
↑ Cawley, Charles. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Medieval Lands, https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#FrancoisJoyeusedied1556B
↑ 3.0 3.1 Acadian and French Canadian Genealogy by John P. DuLong on habitant.org, Joyeuse de Champigneulle Family, accessed 25 February 2023.
See also:
Nicole-Françoise de Beauvais-Genealogiequebec
http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec-genealogy/196/196447.php
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=148192540
|
| Person ID |
I60363 |
Freeman-Smith |
| Last Modified |
27 Jan 2026 |
-
| Sources |
- [S1767] Merged from MartinBissonAnc_1 on 6-Jan-2026 at 21:47.
|
|
|
